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hi everyone welcome to geoff hub live

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stream uh today's guest is going to be

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whitley strieber

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and usually i have a whole bunch of

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stuff to tell you about but

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today i just figured we can get straight

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to it

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and get the show started

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all right whitley welcome thanks for

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being on

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well thank you for having me and it's a

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pleasure well i'm glad we were able to

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to work this out i appreciate you taking

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the time and um

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i figured i don't know if it's a loaded

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question but i wanted to ask you about

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can you start out what what it is for

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some of us that might not heard

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what what does this mean a new world but

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well the title started with colonel

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philip corso

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colonel corso appeared rather

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unexpectedly in the world of ufos

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about 20 years ago now

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and he

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wrote a book about ufos

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and about his experiences as an

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who was involved in the ufo world and

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ufo community and i had

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at the roswell 50th anniversary of the

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roswell incident

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which he also attended and during that

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me i was there linda milton how a couple

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of others and my wife

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and he mentioned a an experience that he

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had at white sands when he had been

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i guess an alien or what he took to be

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to turn off the radars for

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10 minutes or something in order to

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that's a long time in my proof can be a

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long time in my profession what's in it

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the reply was a new world if you can

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and that reply has resonated with me

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ever since i don't know

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how much of what colonel corso said was

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true in an absolutely objective sense

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but i do know that like all of us who

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are dealing with this extremely strange

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he made an effort to make sense of it

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that was serious it was a serious effort

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and i think the thought that that

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particular phrase

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very very telling a new world

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certainly if we can take it

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that means if we can take it

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by resting it right out of their hands

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because they're not going to give us

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if we can bear it also

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because there are things about it that

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will not be easy to bear

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and things about it that are very very

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so that's the origin of the phrase in

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the book a new world

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whitley could you possibly go a little

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what those things might be

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things that you just said regarding you

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we have to understand this

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and that so far has been eluding us

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we have generated a lot of ideas about

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aliens and ufos and so forth

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ever had anything except

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at best statements from people who were

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bits of information but who's to know

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whether that's true or not

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you don't know we've never walked on the

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ground of another world

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and examined its history in the history

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of life

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there we don't even know where such a

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we don't know any of those things

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so we don't know where we are with this

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um there are and there will be in june

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a release of documents that in i'm not

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but my thought is that it will contain

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information not only about unknown

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objects and events but also about the

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and some of them have made technological

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breakthroughs that we have not made

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uh specifically i think the russians

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not some very complex breakthroughs

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that involve understanding

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between the countries or it would have

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learned it hasn't overwhelmed us

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of what this means to the individual

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that's a that's the part of the at can

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and some of them have never had anything

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but a difficult experience

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some have been driven to their deaths by

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tried to take it in hand and make it

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work for them which was my

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objective when i realized that there was

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something very strange going on

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that was real in some way that was

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objective reality to it

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up i've been raped

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we've had i've had semen removed from my

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body we'd lost a baby to this

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very dangerous but at the same time

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it was real somebody was there

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re-engaged to re-engage

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that was hard that was terribly hard

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that while these things were interested

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enough to be there i didn't have any

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but i've learned a lot i've

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as well a tremendous intellectual

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is maturity that i would never have

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presence like all the visitors so on the

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third side that wants to be a little

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more pleasant to deal with it's hard but

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at all and you know i'll meet the

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demands as best i can

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and out of it what do i get

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unlike anything that i would ever have

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possible in this life it is i live in a

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obviously from what was it that changed

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still a very physical component to it

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to very ancient ideas and teachings that

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reflections in our own past history

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of what these entities still seem to

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upstate new york that we had in those

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the um they were very

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clear and loud and

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sound was unlike anything

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they you know when a cat is scared his

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the entire cat puffed up from the neck

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crouched on flat on their tummies going

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those cats are more scared than

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cats should ever be

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but i'm not that scared and i think i

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might be making a mistake

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after a few seconds i didn't go outside

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i just stayed in the house after a few

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we tried it's over and we're gone

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um but this group of nine

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the 33rd degrees is signified that

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initiated in the 33rd degree knocks on

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of the masonic hall nine

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considered a number of completion

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these

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ideas all the way back in in human

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esoteric thought

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to the ancient egyptians and

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they thought of the soul as being

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composed of three parts

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and a positive part an act a rather an

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active part which is the body

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the being composed of three parts an

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active part which is the body

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a passive part which is the soul that

301
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that

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gathers all of the experience the body

303
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is

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transfers the experience

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that the physical body is having into

306
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the soul and

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the egyptians had a system called the

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42 laws of ma'at

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which if you lived by these laws

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the food that your body gathered and

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gave to your soul would be rich food

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and when the body died the soul would be

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able to ascend and return to the stars

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from

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which in the egyptian mythology

316
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we came so all of that went into it

317
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but it still remains a very physical and

318
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very challenging experience

319
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to this day

320
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well whitley a lot of times um

321
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people that that uh also say they've had

322
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contacts they would often

323
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talk about in these very esoteric

324
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spiritual ways

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about why these different beings are

326
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there

327
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uh talking about soul contracts you know

328
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and all these different things what is

329
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,000
your experience with that

330
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um i don't think

331
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has a barrier between what we think of

332
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as the living and what we think of as

333
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the dead

334
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i don't think they live that way

335
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i don't either anymore actually

336
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um because that barrier

337
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is artificial it's something that's

338
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constructed

339
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perhaps intentionally by us but we don't

340
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need to live with it

341
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the result of this is that when you are

342
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engaged with the visitors for any length

343
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of time you soon find yourself engaged

344
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with your own dad as well

345
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and then with many people on many

346
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different levels of

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of perception and reality

348
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you find yourself engaged with your own

349
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soul

350
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out

351
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that once you've realized you have a

352
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soul

353
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,120
you think to yourself what does it want

354
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,880
why isn't it more part of me

355
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,159
why do why is it so passive

356
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:05,600
and they will engage with you and take

357
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,880
and go on that path of of discovery with

358
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,559
you in other words if you ask the right

359
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:11,919
questions

360
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,600
these entities who are very practiced in

361
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,000
living without a veil between the soul

362
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:20,240
between the living and the dead

363
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:24,799
will engage with you and help you learn

364
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on your own terms what it is

365
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,000
one thing they won't do i don't think is

366
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,919
they don't do it in terms of chapter and

367
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:35,679
verse it's not like

368
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:39,280
the revelations in a textbook

369
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:44,080
it's a um it's a very personal

370
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,799
deeply personal thing and in my case

371
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,159
back in the mid

372
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early 90s when we were getting in the

373
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late 80s

374
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so many letters from people who had

375
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:10,149
we heard from

376
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,430
many people who had

377
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,760
much more than what you would consider a

378
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classic close encounter of the third

379
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,640
kind the

380
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,480
the other ufo investigators were just

381
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,080
pushing that aside and saying well

382
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,000
that's kind of like

383
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,960
white noise it's static the real

384
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:28,720
experience has nothing to do with that

385
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,520
because

386
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,520
they were basically very materialistic

387
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:32,559
and they didn't think that

388
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,240
we lived on after death but i wasn't so

389
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,600
sure

390
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,799
and one day annie came out of her office

391
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and said

392
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,880
this has something to do with what we

393
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:44,960
call death

394
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,960
and it does it definitely does um

395
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,360
death and the world of the dead as we

396
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,520
think of it and also

397
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,400
other universes that are that are

398
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:58,880
intermixed with this one somehow

399
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,710
the ability to cross this universe very

400
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:06,320
quickly

401
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,559
and that was something that i always had

402
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,120
great reservations about because you

403
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:15,520
know how could you

404
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,280
however it's been recently discovered

405
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,600
that there could be such a thing as a

406
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:23,440
human traversable wormhole

407
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,000
in this universe and not only that

408
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,880
we even have the materials necessary to

409
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,159
build one they're not

410
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,360
hypothetical they could exist

411
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:39,039
which means that somebody in advance of

412
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,600
us

413
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,520
almost certainly does have this if it's

414
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,320
possible to to have it

415
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,120
and it could be that when you find

416
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:48,720
yourself face to face when

417
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,919
one of these little entities it's

418
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,320
taken a single step across the half the

419
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:55,840
universe

420
00:24:04,310 --> 00:23:59,200
in a moment from a star

421
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:04,320
or a planet billions of light years away

422
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:11,909
what do you think i i thought to myself

423
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:12,400
what

424
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,000
capabilities be like

425
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,320
and i thought well they would live in a

426
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:22,240
state of wonder

427
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,159
or would they what if the universe

428
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:29,520
the whole universe was no bigger to

429
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:33,440
us than rhode island

430
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,640
with the difference we can leave rhode

431
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,559
island we can go to another state

432
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:41,760
another country what if they have

433
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:45,120
reached the end of the universe

434
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:49,279
and to them it's a small

435
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,070
but if that's the case then you would

436
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,669
some things that for example the insight

437
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:03,600
that

438
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:10,960
and astronomer dbf dbh cooper

439
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,360
kuiper and mark morris had back in 1977

440
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,200
when they published a little monograph

441
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,120
in science magazine saying that if

442
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,120
aliens really came here

443
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,880
they wouldn't be interested in anything

444
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,360
about us except

445
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,400
what our discoveries and what was new

446
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,679
what we found new and because of this

447
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,600
they would definitely keep themselves

448
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,600
very well concealed

449
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,000
because they would not want us to direct

450
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,919
all of our attention toward them

451
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:41,840
they would want us to continue to

452
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,279
innovate and explore reality on our own

453
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,919
and that's exactly what is happening and

454
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,039
i think that once you get close to them

455
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,120
you find that they want to live through

456
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,799
your experience

457
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,520
they are hungry for not just your

458
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:58,559
happiness and your

459
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:02,240
joy to to touch those pleasures

460
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:05,919
but to touch above all

461
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,640
the sense of space and enormity

462
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,360
in which we live with no knowledge of

463
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,960
the future

464
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,679
no real knowledge of where we are who we

465
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,240
are even what we are

466
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:23,600
they want that

467
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,320
because it makes them feel new again

468
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,880
and it's i'm sure why they want us to

469
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,000
survive

470
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:33,840
when i read these things about alien

471
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:36,840
invasions i have to laugh because

472
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:40,240
they the last thing they want to do

473
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,960
is pluck the fruit of mankind they want

474
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,279
us to stay alive on the tree

475
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:53,269
um it's a remarkable thing in

476
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,400
relationship with them

477
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,120
on the on the one hand on the other hand

478
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,440
they're very demanding

479
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,360
they want what they want and they're

480
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:03,039
here for that

481
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,200
now that i've understood this

482
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,440
i can never leave this understanding

483
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,320
again

484
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,159
now that i've understood what they need

485
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,840
and i'm willing to open myself

486
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,880
inwardly to their presence i could never

487
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:18,399
walk away from that

488
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,510
it's a permanent marriage it's forever

489
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,399
and so that's what a new world if you

490
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:33,520
can take it another level of it is

491
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:37,919
if you want this and you take it

492
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,559
this is what you have forever

493
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,600
so these um these things that they do

494
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,200
that you just talked about was that

495
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,799
something that they just um

496
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,399
through your interactions with them that

497
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,480
they gave that up to you did you

498
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,480
specifically ask them of what is it that

499
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,320
they want

500
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:58,480
no i didn't specifically ask them it was

501
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,360
always it was

502
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,120
by demonstration i i was not

503
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:06,240
going anywhere i was i kept trying

504
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:10,480
and i kept i kept on and

505
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,600
then the incident of

506
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:16,799
my wife's death in august of

507
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,640
2015 occurred you remember i said

508
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:23,039
earlier that she had said that this has

509
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:23,679
something to

510
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,039
do with what we call death right well

511
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,760
she became a real expert on the

512
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,039
afterlife and

513
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:34,399
on our our ideas of it and then

514
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:38,080
in 2004 she had an aneurysm burst in her

515
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,960
head

516
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,880
and she nearly died and she had a

517
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,120
near-death experience

518
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,600
powerful one and like most near-death

519
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,039
experiences she

520
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,039
ended up no longer afraid of death at

521
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:50,960
all

522
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,269
then in 2015

523
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,070
and an hour and a half i was sitting in

524
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,240
the living room in this apartment

525
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:11,440
an hour and a half afterwards

526
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:15,440
thinking annie if you're anywhere still

527
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,360
please give me some sort of a sign

528
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,279
because i really sensed that she was

529
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:23,440
very close

530
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:27,279
sense of her presence

531
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,200
my phone rang and it was someone

532
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,039
a friend called belle fuller and i

533
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:35,120
thought oh my god i can't talk to bell

534
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:35,840
now

535
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,320
he had died

536
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,960
and but i thought i don't want to not

537
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,159
answer

538
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,559
and so i'll let belle know it's i guess

539
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,760
it's

540
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,600
the moment when belle is to find this

541
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,799
sound

542
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,520
so she called she i answered and she was

543
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,399
very concerned she immediately said not

544
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:58,720
hi whitley or i'd like to speak to anne

545
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,440
which or she

546
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:01,679
usually would have said she said whitley

547
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:08,230
and i said bell

548
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,320
and died an hour and a half ago

549
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:15,919
and she said well i heard

550
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,679
her voice in my ear say very clearly

551
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,799
call whitley

552
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,520
and i thought how odd i didn't make the

553
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,760
connection yet but i would

554
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,320
then things like that happened again and

555
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,200
again over the

556
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,480
next week or so and during that time i

557
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,080
also became

558
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,440
more comfortable with anne's presence

559
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,880
and i began to realize this is real

560
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:45,360
i'm not dreaming it up when a friend

561
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,080
from

562
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,440
tennessee calls knowing she knew

563
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,440
of course by that point that anne had

564
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:52,960
died but not that

565
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,159
she would hear from anne

566
00:31:03,110 --> 00:30:59,360
and says whitley and i i just

567
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,120
had heard anne tell me to call you

568
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,360
and this was a few days after bell had

569
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,279
called it that was uh

570
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,679
claire henry and william henry's wife

571
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,000
he's a

572
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,000
a searcher and uh you can go and find

573
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,320
their work on williamhenry.net

574
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:19,600
in any case um it kept happening

575
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,799
and finally i was dense thick-headed guy

576
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:25,600
that i was i thought to myself

577
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,110
the next couple of months i guess a

578
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:35,360
month or so later

579
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,640
william had a conference in um

580
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,039
in nashville and because of what had

581
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:42,720
happened i decided to go to the

582
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,360
conference

583
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,000
and he he and claire give wonderful

584
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,240
conferences anyway in my show dreamland

585
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:49,840
he was recently on my show

586
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,799
dreamland and you can if you look up

587
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,679
dreamland

588
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,799
or on go to unknowncountry.com you can

589
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,799
listen to that show it was lovely but in

590
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,159
any case

591
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,360
i went and while i was there a woman

592
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:04,640
came up

593
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:07,840
and said mr streeter

594
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,760
something very odd just happened to me

595
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,640
and i i i'm i'm afraid you might think

596
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:15,760
it's too weird but

597
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,519
i i i said how could i possibly think

598
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,440
something somebody's gonna tell me is

599
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:22,880
too weird

600
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,320
of all people so she said i just

601
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:29,440
heard anne's voice in my ear

602
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:33,440
say tell quickly i can see him

603
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:37,279
when he's sitting in the chair

604
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,440
this was huge i knew immediately what

605
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,720
she meant

606
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,840
that she could contact me if

607
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,000
i was sitting in a certain state because

608
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:50,080
i meditate i've been meditating

609
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:54,840
doing the sensing exercise since 1970

610
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:58,159
and she could

611
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:06,149
engage with me then after i came

612
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,720
home not only did i i used to do it

613
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,760
always at 11 o'clock at night

614
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,200
once i came home i started

615
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:19,600
doing i did it at 11 o'clock at night as

616
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:22,840
usual and then suddenly one night

617
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,919
something electrocuted one of my toes in

618
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:27,360
the middle of the night

619
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,720
and i took down a bed but there was no

620
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,720
there was no wire or anything there so i

621
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,080
immediately went on my phone

622
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,000
looked up doubt no it wasn't gout so i

623
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,559
went back to bed

624
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:43,679
the next night a

625
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:46,640
hand grabbed this nipple and shook it

626
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,039
like

627
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,480
digging i leaped out of bed of course

628
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:53,519
because it was a hand i could feel it

629
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,360
right and um then it hit me

630
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,600
it's the three o'clock in the morning

631
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,080
one they want

632
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,960
uh and i didn't know why at the time but

633
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,320
i did know that

634
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:09,599
that there had been a very physical

635
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,040
uh a series of very near physical events

636
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,040
with dead people back in the 90s at the

637
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,879
cabin in upstate new york

638
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,119
and they had waked me up at three by

639
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,440
banging on my shoulder

640
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,280
and so i started getting up and doing

641
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,320
the meditation at three again

642
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:29,599
i later learned that this time

643
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:33,200
between three and about five is known as

644
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:33,839
brahma

645
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,000
hurt the time the time of learning

646
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:41,440
and it has become the most

647
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:44,800
precious experience of my life i i'm

648
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,079
up meditating doing the sensing exercise

649
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:50,639
every morning at that time every single

650
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,280
morning

651
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,839
and have been since that first night i i

652
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:56,560
realized that it was being asked for

653
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,240
and i have now written three books

654
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,760
based on it uh after life revolution

655
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,800
which anne and i wrote together

656
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,119
a new world and now my new one jesus a

657
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,560
new vision

658
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,280
which enables anyone whether they're an

659
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,880
atheist an agnostic

660
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,040
a christian a buddhist a muslim it

661
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,119
doesn't matter

662
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:22,160
to re-engage with the jesus teaching and

663
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:23,200
to understand

664
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:26,640
how to use it in their own lives

665
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,160
you don't need to be to to be engaged

666
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,880
with doctrine in any way whatsoever but

667
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,920
if you are

668
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,400
that's fine too you can do this and

669
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,160
still be a hindu you can do it and still

670
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,760
be a buddhist you can do it and still be

671
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,440
a christian

672
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,920
that was the idea so the three books are

673
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,480
all of them very revolutionary

674
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:49,760
and they all come from

675
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,960
this time and from my relationship with

676
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,839
ann

677
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,680
i don't even think of us i think of us

678
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,680
as still being married

679
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,839
actively married and i'm engaged in a

680
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:00,800
marriage

681
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:04,240
physically available

682
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,839
but i just said well okay i'm gonna wear

683
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,599
both rings because now

684
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,280
we're still married we're just down to

685
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:13,680
one body

686
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,480
right here you're looking at whitley

687
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:20,400
but i think anne's looking out through

688
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,430
you know um whitley a lot of times these

689
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,560
uh that kind of understanding uh

690
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,400
for some people and i know in my

691
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,640
personal experience only through

692
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,839
um great difficulty a great struggle can

693
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,280
identif

694
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,599
not that it has to be but i i it's just

695
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,880
when i look back they always say

696
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,720
hindsight it's 20 20.

697
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,800
looking back is because of these

698
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,560
struggles because of this

699
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,359
this pain i gained a greater

700
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,960
understanding you know

701
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,359
got me to where i really needed to be

702
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,880
you although it didn't look like it at

703
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,760
that time

704
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,560
and so does does that always have to be

705
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,440
the case

706
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,520
you know that the struggle has to be

707
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,880
that the good and the bad

708
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:07,040
has to come together you know to get the

709
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,240
full picture or

710
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,270
we're here to take a journey this is if

711
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,520
if there's anything true about the whole

712
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:18,320
spiritual

713
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,240
side of life it is that this is a school

714
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,680
and the journey is

715
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,720
of of being educated and taking that

716
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,359
journey is never going to be easy

717
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:33,440
uh it doesn't necessarily have to be

718
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,349
and it's certainly in

719
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,079
my situation after all i've been through

720
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,440
and all annie and i went through

721
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:47,359
together

722
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:51,920
now that my own wife has become

723
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,280
my main teacher it's very joyous

724
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,720
and the little gray people show up from

725
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,560
time to time but

726
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,720
this is mostly between it's a mostly

727
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,320
human experience for me now

728
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:08,960
between me and my wife and others who

729
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,359
come

730
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:12,480
from time to time and there's still a

731
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,310
there are very

732
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,150
if i don't if i don't do the 3 a.m

733
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:27,680
meditation and it's hard every single

734
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,160
night

735
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:30,079
because the body does not want to do

736
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,280
that

737
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,440
does not want to get up out of nice warm

738
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:35,200
bed at that hour at all

739
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,079
at all but if i don't do it

740
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,079
this is where i said that threats and

741
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,400
demands

742
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,800
are come in because there will be

743
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,280
threats and there will be demands

744
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:52,560
and there will be physical pain

745
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:55,599
i mean they will make me they will

746
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,720
give me pain sometimes if i don't do it

747
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,400
in other knows they'll they're

748
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:02,400
definitely

749
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,720
you're i'm gonna do it i don't have

750
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,839
i've had in since i guess it started in

751
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,280
october of 2015

752
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,800
it's now 2021

753
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,119
um and i've been doing it every three

754
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:18,720
o'clock every morning approximately it's

755
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,520
not

756
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,839
exact because i don't set an alarm on

757
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:23,280
purpose

758
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:27,359
i want them to have to engage with this

759
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,800
if i'm going to struggle i want that

760
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:31,920
struggle to be

761
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:35,839
part of the experience and

762
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,520
i want them to engage with my struggle

763
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:41,599
and maybe they don't like that but and

764
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,440
maybe they do maybe they consider it

765
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,520
they understand it as well as i do as

766
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,800
being an important part of the

767
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:50,800
relationship

768
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:55,040
but all i know is this that

769
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,640
it remains very hard they remain

770
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:02,000
very demanding but in this

771
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:07,359
context now there is another presence

772
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,200
which is and not as the ann i knew

773
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,280
one of the first things she said after

774
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,880
she passed away when i

775
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,000
learned to listen to her was

776
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:21,599
i'm not anne anymore but i'll always be

777
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,640
anne for you now

778
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,079
i've learned and i'm sure this is true

779
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:31,119
that many of us most of us or maybe all

780
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:32,560
of us

781
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,480
have many lives and if you think about

782
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,440
it

783
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,400
whatever is out behind us projecting

784
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:41,760
those lives

785
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:45,280
into the world must be very different

786
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,520
from the individuals whoever

787
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,920
made whitley happen in the world has

788
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,599
probably been making people happen in

789
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:56,960
the world for thousands of years

790
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:00,400
i've seen eleven images

791
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:07,910
now that soul is very different from

792
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,349
energy and memories from all god knows

793
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,640
how many lives

794
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,680
knows how far back it goes

795
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:22,800
so this entity with

796
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,599
whom i live and who i am still married

797
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,040
to

798
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:30,160
is not anne but it is

799
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,240
very definitely very loving toward me

800
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,200
and i am very loving toward this entity

801
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,400
and i don't think

802
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,520
that we're ever going to part again i

803
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,960
think that this is permanent

804
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:47,040
i think i think one of the things about

805
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,000
a new world that's

806
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,960
hard to take is that a lot of the things

807
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:51,920
that happen

808
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,960
are permanent we you know we we

809
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,640
we have things that happen to us that

810
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,240
end in death

811
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,400
this is not about that it doesn't end in

812
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,800
death it goes on

813
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,119
my relationship with this whole

814
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:07,200
experience with all of these entities

815
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:08,640
and with

816
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:12,160
my wife or what my wife came from

817
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,160
is part of me permanently

818
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:19,599
it will always be there all of it

819
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,960
the struggle will continue it's a

820
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:23,599
journey

821
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,400
toward ecstasy you know when annie died

822
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,599
the night she died a book

823
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,920
came out of our bookcase and opened to a

824
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:35,520
certain page

825
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,200
no one had touched that book in 15 years

826
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,240
the book was important to ann

827
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:46,160
and in particular a specific passage

828
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:50,880
the passage was the universe began

829
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:54,319
with a single primordial quest

830
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:58,079
for knowledge and i think that's the

831
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,800
truth

832
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:01,280
and i think that's why i think annie as

833
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,240
she departed

834
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,599
opened that book to that page

835
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,760
because no one else came in here no one

836
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,800
else did it

837
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,319
there are only three people in the house

838
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,640
besides annie and we were in the living

839
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:13,680
room the three of us

840
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,309
and she did that because at that moment

841
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:21,680
her mind was free

842
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,440
of the restraints of the physical world

843
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:28,079
and she knew it to be true what was on

844
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,440
that page

845
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,280
it's a book called physics from fisher

846
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:33,280
information

847
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:41,589
that quest

848
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,800
cannot be all sweetness in life

849
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,599
there has to be struggle too because if

850
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,359
you don't engage

851
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:52,560
with struggle failure

852
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,760
confusion darkness if you don't embrace

853
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:57,680
the dark side too

854
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:00,960
you are not on a real

855
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:09,750
thank you for that whitley um

856
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,640
i'd love to continue the path that you

857
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,640
know down but i wanted to ask if we

858
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,280
could just touch back just real quick

859
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,160
maybe at least i know when when we learn

860
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,160
about these new things i know for myself

861
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,480
uh i often discuss things with my

862
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,160
friends they're already

863
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,640
you know we're already kind of past the

864
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,240
basics kind of like when you

865
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,920
look at ufology you have the nuts and

866
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:34,000
bolts but then when you realize there's

867
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,520
more to this field

868
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,760
then all i did is just concentrate on

869
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,760
this more part to understand it and

870
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,720
evolve

871
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,520
with it where nuts and bolts is not

872
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,960
important to me anymore

873
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,720
you know at least that's you know from

874
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,319
my point of view

875
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,480
so i wanted to to continue and talk to

876
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,839
you about you know

877
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,440
everything else that that you could

878
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:55,200
possibly share with us or what what else

879
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,920
you've learned

880
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:58,640
but i for those that are maybe watching

881
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,440
that are just now

882
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:02,640
into this these different beings do they

883
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,040
have

884
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,440
a physicality to them and were there

885
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,599
different ones did was it mainly a

886
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,800
telepathic

887
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,400
com you know conversation or

888
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,160
communication or

889
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,680
you know do they have the ability to

890
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:15,359
speak and anything like that that you

891
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,599
can share with us i'd appreciate it

892
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,240
um i've heard a few words from some of

893
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,270
there are these dark short dark blue

894
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:29,040
figures that will speak in a guttural

895
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:29,920
voice

896
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:33,359
physically not many words

897
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:37,040
um i've never heard the gray people

898
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:41,440
utter anything except cries sounds

899
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,839
and then there are these blonde people

900
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,960
who

901
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,280
as far as i know can speak quite

902
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,400
normally i've had

903
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,319
an extensive conversation with one of

904
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:53,839
them

905
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,390
they um it's a it's a variety of

906
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,520
different

907
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,560
things um but

908
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,480
always remember that it's easy to jump

909
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,920
to the conclusion that he's talking

910
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,240
whitley's talking about

911
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,680
aliens different types of alien

912
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,319
i'm talking about different things i've

913
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:19,440
seen

914
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:23,119
and interacted with i'm not going to go

915
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,720
beyond that

916
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,280
and say therefore since they looked

917
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,000
weird they must

918
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,079
be aliens i'm not sure of that that's a

919
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:31,680
good point

920
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:34,880
eating yeah and it gives you an idea

921
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,560
what i mean um

922
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,560
there are plenty of species on this

923
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,000
planet who have more than

924
00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:44,800
one form and these forms are often

925
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,040
radically different

926
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,760
unrecognizably different from one

927
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,599
another the simple

928
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:52,640
one you can grab to is the

929
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,720
butterfly and the caterpillar

930
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,400
what caterpillar could ever imagine

931
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:00,560
himself a butterfly

932
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:04,480
and uh what butterfly could ever believe

933
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,079
that he'd come out of that that

934
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,000
that gobbling hulk down there so

935
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,520
um and what makes me think about this

936
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,160
often is something that happened many

937
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,240
years ago to a dear friend of ours

938
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,400
who was and secretary for 15 years

939
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,400
laurie burns

940
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,800
anne had met laurie through uh the

941
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,280
letters we would get and

942
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,839
she she needed desperately needed the

943
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,119
secretary because she had all these

944
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,200
letters coming in

945
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,440
and she said to me one day well this

946
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,960
lady is going to be our secretary and

947
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,559
handed me a letter

948
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,720
and the letter talked about some very

949
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,000
extraordinary

950
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,839
close encounter experiences but it also

951
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:47,839
talked about the fact that she was an

952
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,359
actress and a singer and i said um

953
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:53,200
she says here she says actress and a

954
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,480
singer

955
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:57,119
and she said and said well have you ever

956
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,160
heard of her

957
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,960
i said no i said okay well that's not

958
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,559
what she does for a living is it look at

959
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:03,680
her handwriting

960
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:06,880
that's the handwriting of a professional

961
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,920
and she called her up it turned out she

962
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:10,720
lived

963
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,800
a block away from us in manhattan

964
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,920
and she was did secretarial work as

965
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,200
a day job and she came over and hired

966
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,640
her immediately and

967
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,720
off they went now let me tell you

968
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:26,480
laurie's story and what it has to do

969
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,960
with this

970
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,480
with the caterpillar and the butterfly

971
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,480
because i'm not wandering

972
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,960
the soul head is still i got a pretty

973
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:34,559
fairly well organized

974
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:42,950
the one night in the early 50s

975
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,160
laurie was lying in bed

976
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,800
her husband was a pianist and she was a

977
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,000
singer

978
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,480
and he was out on a gig it was about 11

979
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,079
o'clock at night

980
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,720
she was reading and she noticed movement

981
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,440
beside the bed and she looked up

982
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:02,880
and these short dark blue troll-like

983
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,870
and she i mean this is like 1952

984
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,760
she had no idea what to think of what

985
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:15,520
she was seeing

986
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:19,680
and she recoiled in horror

987
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:23,440
and the lead one put his

988
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,040
dark blue gloved hand on her wrist and

989
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,559
said

990
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:31,680
my dear do not be afraid

991
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:35,359
we're not here for you we are interested

992
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:36,079
in the girl

993
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,710
and she was she was pregnant but in

994
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,000
those days you couldn't tell whether it

995
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,510
it was a girl when nine months came

996
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,520
she's a very lovely person now she i've

997
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,359
interviewed her on dreamland in fact

998
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,160
and uh because laura has passed on and

999
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,559
we had a sort of memorial for laurie

1000
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,839
she and her sister and they've had very

1001
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:05,520
little experience of this type

1002
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:13,750
the next thing that happened though was

1003
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,280
it said why do you fear us

1004
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,760
and lori blurted out because you're so

1005
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,200
ugly

1006
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,520
and now get all the way back to the

1007
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:27,920
caterpillar in the butterfly

1008
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:32,559
because it responded one day my dear

1009
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:40,710
could it be that that's another level of

1010
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,359
human life one that has something to do

1011
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,400
with the movement of souls and the and

1012
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:51,680
the creation of bodies

1013
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:56,480
that we don't even begin to understand

1014
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,680
is it not that everything here that

1015
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:01,040
looks strange to us

1016
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,160
is an alien but that some of them

1017
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:09,359
are strange to us because we

1018
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,200
look right into our own eyes

1019
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:16,079
and don't realize that that butterfly

1020
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:16,720
which looks

1021
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:21,040
quite frightening to us is really

1022
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,510
so whitley with all that occurring

1023
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,680
for some reason i it's a lot easier for

1024
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,640
me to believe that

1025
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,520
every restriction or things that we know

1026
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,040
or don't know it's all

1027
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,760
because of us but not necessarily

1028
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,359
because of the other side where

1029
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,040
whatever the other side is whether it's

1030
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:44,400
a

1031
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:53,359
more the stringent one

1032
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:56,800
once and uh it's just you know

1033
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,000
depends on how open-minded we want to be

1034
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,680
that it would then depend on how much we

1035
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:03,040
can learn from them

1036
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:11,750
i think that flexibility of mind is

1037
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,640
very essential ann used to say

1038
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:19,040
the human species is too young to have

1039
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,319
beliefs

1040
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:23,440
what we need are good questions

1041
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,160
where the beliefs start the growth stops

1042
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:29,839
as soon as you become a believer you

1043
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,319
close your door the door on

1044
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,400
whatever you've come to believe it's

1045
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,520
better

1046
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,640
to keep it in question in fact i can

1047
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,040
very quickly and with a

1048
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:44,000
cute little thought experiment prove to

1049
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:45,040
you

1050
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,880
here's the thought experiment it's

1051
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,880
called the cow problem

1052
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:55,200
it's based on the work of a philosopher

1053
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:02,870
who proved it back in 1963 that there

1054
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:06,559
was no such thing as final truth

1055
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,319
a farmer has a heifer a

1056
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,200
a holstein a black and white cow that

1057
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,920
he's concerned about because the cow is

1058
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,960
seems to be feeling ill

1059
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,440
so he isolates the cow in a separate

1060
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:23,440
field where he can watch

1061
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,839
the cow from where he is when he's

1062
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,240
working

1063
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,319
in the field there are two features it's

1064
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,079
otherwise completely flat

1065
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:34,800
there is a tree and behind the tree

1066
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,599
there is a little hollow

1067
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,160
if the cow wanders into the hollow the

1068
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,000
farmer will briefly not be able

1069
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,680
to see the cow while the cow is in the

1070
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:47,910
while the farmer is working the cow

1071
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:51,119
wanders into the hollow

1072
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,319
now the farmer can't see the cow but at

1073
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,599
the same time

1074
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,839
a piece of black and white paper blows

1075
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,800
into the

1076
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:01,920
field and gets caught under the tree

1077
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,359
farmer glances into the field and sees

1078
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:06,800
the black and white paper and thinks

1079
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,200
that

1080
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,839
it's the cow and thinks well the cow's

1081
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:11,280
fine

1082
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,319
continues with his work

1083
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:18,000
now the farmer is in the most

1084
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,200
fundamental of all

1085
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:24,319
human conundrums intellectual conundrums

1086
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:28,960
he is right the cow is fine

1087
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,640
he is wrong he has not seen the cow

1088
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,119
the farmer is right and wrong at the

1089
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,200
same time

1090
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:40,319
we're this is our life this is what we

1091
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:41,680
are

1092
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,280
this universe exists in a state of

1093
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:47,280
superposition that means

1094
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,960
it's not definite until it is observed

1095
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,760
we never escape for an instant the

1096
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:57,680
condition of the observer

1097
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:01,599
we can't but there's a concept

1098
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,720
then let's now sweep all the way back

1099
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:06,559
through time to the beginnings

1100
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:10,480
of alchemy the concept is

1101
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:13,599
as above so below

1102
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,000
you must make yourself

1103
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,520
a mirror of higher levels

1104
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:24,240
in order to yourself ascend on the

1105
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:24,960
ladder

1106
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,559
of jacob and how do you do that

1107
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:31,680
above is indeterminate

1108
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:35,920
therefore below you

1109
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:38,960
you go through your life

1110
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,480
and you convert your beliefs into

1111
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:44,079
questions

1112
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,000
you become a questioner and you join

1113
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,040
the journey of the universe

1114
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:54,079
toward the knowledge

1115
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,680
the quest for knowledge that ann

1116
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,160
indicated was the purpose of the

1117
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:01,520
universe

1118
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,390
but lee do you think some of these

1119
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,680
beings

1120
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,839
would what do what are your thoughts on

1121
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,720
channeling

1122
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,440
basically basically having your

1123
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,119
experiences that you've had

1124
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:21,599
the a lot of the channeled information

1125
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:22,640
is then

1126
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:26,480
taken on face value um and in my case i

1127
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:27,119
know that

1128
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:30,640
i had to follow it up to see okay um

1129
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,240
is this you know full of bs or not

1130
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,559
to to see how well it can apply in my

1131
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,559
life and that's the only way how i

1132
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,520
i validated how you know how how i

1133
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:43,599
validated this particular channeling

1134
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,119
but what i'm wondering is about having

1135
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,359
gone through what you've gone through do

1136
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
you think there are also other beings

1137
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:53,040
that are reaching out through channeling

1138
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,240
to convey

1139
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:57,520
this more higher understanding about

1140
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,319
life and

1141
00:57:01,349 --> 00:57:00,319
how to solve a problem and how to look

1142
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,359
at certain things

1143
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,760
or is it uh or is there something more

1144
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,359
to that

1145
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,640
i would not trust anyone

1146
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,480
from every any level who calls

1147
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,040
themselves a guide

1148
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:15,040
because they're taking something from

1149
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:16,160
you

1150
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:33,839
i i i'm not keen on that

1151
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,480
i think that we are we have to

1152
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,280
live in a state of question and wonder

1153
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:43,040
on our own terms

1154
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,440
and not looking for for guidance

1155
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:50,319
from anyone except one's own mind and

1156
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:51,119
heart

1157
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,960
and spirit live the mystery and don't

1158
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,960
worry about being told

1159
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,920
what to do by some disincarnate entity

1160
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:02,720
who's probably a part of you

1161
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,069
to really be a good channel and i think

1162
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:12,559
it's possible you understand

1163
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,119
that a person has to work

1164
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:20,160
very hard

1165
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,400
to understand and contain

1166
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:27,839
their own ego so that their

1167
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:31,920
consciousness can connect

1168
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:34,880
with the larger more objective reality

1169
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:37,839
in which we live

1170
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,720
and that is rare it does happen there

1171
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:43,359
are some channels that

1172
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:47,920
do that but very frankly

1173
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,359
i think that the

1174
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,359
marvelous struggle of conventional

1175
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,440
philosophy

1176
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,359
is more powerful than channeling it's

1177
00:59:05,109 --> 00:58:59,359
just that it's harder to read

1178
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:05,119
so uh i would take

1179
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:10,000
kierkegaard and schopenhauer

1180
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:13,920
over most channels any day

1181
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:17,200
frankly but and i

1182
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,240
i'm not looking to be told by a higher

1183
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:21,839
power what to do

1184
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:24,720
oh if you do this and that and uh this

1185
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:25,040
is

1186
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,760
interested in being told i'm interested

1187
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,520
in finding it out for myself and that's

1188
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:33,440
why i love my relationship with the

1189
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,319
visitors

1190
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,160
they're real teachers they don't tell

1191
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:37,599
you anything

1192
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,200
you find out you they they

1193
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,839
they open a crack in a door and you

1194
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,559
think oh my god and you go toward it

1195
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,400
and then they close it right at the last

1196
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,160
minute just when your eyes are getting

1197
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,760
used to the light you're plunged into

1198
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,040
darkness again

1199
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,240
and what do you see in that darkness

1200
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,880
you see yourself because it's in the

1201
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,799
darkness that we learned

1202
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,960
and people pretending to shine a light

1203
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:05,119
in that darkness through the

1204
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,349
through their own egos and calling

1205
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,160
themselves channel or not helping anyone

1206
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,400
that said i think there probably are

1207
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,640
real channels i've known some

1208
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,720
very powerful psychics who were

1209
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:23,200
stunningly powerful

1210
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,119
and that was real and most of them

1211
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,319
were in contact with the dead i'm in

1212
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,079
contact with the dead

1213
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,400
but but i i don't have any contact with

1214
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,040
anyone who's going to be telling you

1215
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,880
what stock to buy tomorrow or anything

1216
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:40,480
if i did i probably would

1217
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,520
have bought it right well uh uh

1218
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,520
let me to clarify a little bit more what

1219
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:46,880
i'm what i was

1220
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:50,799
specifically going for was regarding um

1221
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,680
this idea that the channeling itself

1222
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,079
it's not that they're

1223
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,920
telling you kind of what to do or

1224
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,200
following in some way

1225
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,720
it's almost like the the idea is that

1226
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:05,760
we're out there making first contact in

1227
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,079
this way to get you used to the idea

1228
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:12,160
before eventual contact occurs and um

1229
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,760
the um the the idea was

1230
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,760
regarding specific energies and maybe i

1231
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,599
don't know if you can talk about this

1232
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,440
regarding the different energies that

1233
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:22,960
some of these beings

1234
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:26,079
give off and

1235
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,000
that there's a physicality that's

1236
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,040
much harder or difficult to

1237
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,079
be around as opposed to kind of

1238
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:38,480
being asleep and interacting with them

1239
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,119
through

1240
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,839
let's say uh dreams or meditation or

1241
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:42,799
some

1242
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,640
understand what i'm trying to try and

1243
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:48,960
just say

1244
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,559
well what i'm basically wanting to to

1245
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,760
ask you is that

1246
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,880
from your experience is is

1247
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,559
is that do you feel like something is

1248
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,039
that happening or do you just um

1249
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:03,440
um have not had any experience with that

1250
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,839
that instead of them contacting the way

1251
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:07,440
they have contacted you

1252
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:10,240
that maybe a much larger mass of people

1253
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,119
can be

1254
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:13,520
contacted through a channel that they

1255
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:14,319
claim

1256
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,359
are the pleiades or whatever group

1257
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,520
there's out there

1258
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,119
i don't think channeling is going to

1259
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,039
play very much of a role in this

1260
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:26,640
frankly um

1261
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:30,240
i don't i i i think that there are

1262
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,680
as i've said there are probably some

1263
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:33,440
good channels out there

1264
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:36,160
who are channeling real entities that do

1265
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:37,039
have

1266
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:41,599
our best interests at heart but

1267
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:44,480
as far as the evolution of the contact

1268
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,119
experience

1269
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:46,480
i don't think it's going to be very

1270
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,150
i think that there are different

1271
01:03:03,430 --> 01:02:59,440
approaches from different what appear to

1272
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:03,440
be different types of entity

1273
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:07,680
to us but

1274
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,440
i think that it's going to be a very

1275
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,240
individual process it already is because

1276
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:16,319
you know people think of oh well contact

1277
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:17,359
is going to happen

1278
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:21,359
one day what contact's been happening

1279
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:21,920
since

1280
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:28,240
right that's what i always say

1281
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:33,119
contact of the type that people

1282
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:36,799
are expecting tomorrow started

1283
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:41,119
in the late 1940s it's already happened

1284
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,720
just because some people won't

1285
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,440
own up to what they have experienced in

1286
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,359
the military and so forth

1287
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,680
doesn't mean that it isn't happening

1288
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,039
it's happening in

1289
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:55,680
great huge numbers of people have had

1290
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,240
direct

1291
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,640
close encounters with the visitors and

1292
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,559
go on my website you'll find

1293
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:02,880
hundreds of people who live in very

1294
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,960
highly sophisticated

1295
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,039
relationships with the visitors right

1296
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:09,440
now i mean this thing's going it's

1297
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:12,960
it's going we're in contact

1298
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:16,319
um it's it's it's not

1299
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,880
there on a level that a person who is

1300
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,359
very passive emotionally and

1301
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,960
intellectually passive

1302
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,880
and sort of sitting there in a chair

1303
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,480
waiting for something to happen can

1304
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:29,680
perceive

1305
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:32,720
uh they're waiting for mr president to

1306
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,160
come out and say

1307
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:36,880
the aliens are here and then what

1308
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:37,520
happens

1309
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,039
i'll tell you what will happen if he

1310
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:41,200
actually does that at some point

1311
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,799
nothing it won't change anything

1312
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:47,280
they're not going to change their

1313
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,000
process

1314
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,440
because of anything we do at all

1315
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:54,640
not at all the reason being

1316
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:57,839
that they

1317
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:02,880
what they can do to teach

1318
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,640
goes past most people frankly

1319
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,319
it doesn't go past a lot of the people

1320
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:10,799
listening to the show i can assure you

1321
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:12,000
and if you're thinking you're listening

1322
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:13,760
to the show and thinking oh my it'll go

1323
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,799
past me

1324
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,720
don't worry you wouldn't be here if it

1325
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,920
would go past you

1326
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,839
it's not going to you're in the right

1327
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,200
place

1328
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:24,240
um but

1329
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,440
the um the the thing we have to

1330
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,799
understand

1331
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,480
is we have to get away from these

1332
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:33,359
conventions and assumptions about

1333
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:37,280
contact and are that we're all going to

1334
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:38,240
be

1335
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,799
somehow

1336
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:44,960
given an official imprimatur of some

1337
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,119
kind by the national security agency or

1338
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,960
something

1339
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,440
that is not i mean if that that happens

1340
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:54,640
i'm i'm out of here i have my intention

1341
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:58,880
of doing that i this is in my experience

1342
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:02,400
at its best this is a deeply personal

1343
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:03,440
thing

1344
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,079
and very individualistic i would not be

1345
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:07,520
surprised if

1346
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,280
the visitors as i understand them

1347
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,760
are hoping for an entirely different

1348
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,000
type of relationship

1349
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:19,359
with every single one of us

1350
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:23,200
relationships as different as our faces

1351
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,640
and as intimate as our

1352
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,000
inner lives and no inner life is like

1353
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,200
the interli another inner life they want

1354
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,079
to get in those hidden places

1355
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:39,119
and join us there not

1356
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,230
so whitley with all these different

1357
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,160
things have been happening in the media

1358
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:48,559
and knowing what for example you know

1359
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:49,440
what

1360
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,839
the government has already been doing do

1361
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,760
you think it is their eventual

1362
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:55,920
way especially with this upcoming number

1363
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:58,799
what was the june or july upcoming

1364
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,920
disclosure but uh i

1365
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,359
i personally don't think they're gonna

1366
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,599
reveal much more than obviously they can

1367
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:06,799
only reveal what's un

1368
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,079
this you know declassified and um

1369
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,160
i i hope that this is not some kind of

1370
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:13,680
beginning of the

1371
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,039
what we've always heard about this

1372
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:20,000
you know alien invasion fear type

1373
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,359
environment that they're trying to set

1374
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,559
us up for

1375
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,359
there's no invasion and there's not

1376
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:27,839
going to be a false flag alien invasion

1377
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:28,240
with

1378
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:31,200
flying saucers made by human beings or

1379
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:32,319
any of that is

1380
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:36,720
never going to happen none of it and uh

1381
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:40,240
i will eat my hat if it does and then

1382
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:41,280
but

1383
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:44,400
to hedge my bets

1384
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:47,599
i reserve the right to have

1385
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,910
in any case here's what's probably going

1386
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,720
to happen

1387
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,520
in july 1 in june if it is june june the

1388
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,720
1st

1389
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:03,440
first there is going to be an admission

1390
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:04,559
that

1391
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,760
other powers on this planet namely

1392
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:10,640
russia and possibly china have achieved

1393
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:13,680
technologies that we do not have

1394
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:16,880
involving uh perhaps

1395
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:20,319
uh gravity propulsion and

1396
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:24,159
and uh and they have deployed

1397
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:28,159
devices in this area i referred to this

1398
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,279
earlier

1399
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,520
and there's going to be a great deal of

1400
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,440
chest beating because of this

1401
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,319
just like there was when sputnik went up

1402
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,400
but in the same sense that sputnik

1403
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,880
actually didn't matter much whatever

1404
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,640
they've got now doesn't matter much

1405
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,480
either because if it did the world would

1406
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:46,319
not be like it is

1407
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,480
um and we'll catch up to them you know

1408
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:53,839
there'll be a new

1409
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:58,960
a new arms race of a very strange sort

1410
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:02,000
now they probably will admit in a

1411
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:03,199
limited way

1412
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,719
that there are objects

1413
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,839
flying around that nobody understands

1414
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,839
the origin of

1415
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:13,839
and they might show some video of these

1416
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,110
they will they

1417
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:24,159
refer to the abduction scenario

1418
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,159
i don't know um the new yorker magazine

1419
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,080
has been very much engaged in this

1420
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,960
they had a wonderful piece last week

1421
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,880
just it's just been published a few days

1422
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,239
ago

1423
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,799
uh a long interview with leslie keane

1424
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,880
who is of course a central figure in all

1425
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,080
of this

1426
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,719
and a dear personal friend too i'm happy

1427
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:48,000
to say

1428
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,080
um and i mean i can't imagine a better

1429
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:53,920
person than leslie who

1430
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,760
cut her teeth on with learning

1431
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,920
from bud hopkins all the darkest stuff

1432
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,000
and then

1433
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:04,560
went in the into the more spiritual

1434
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:05,520
stuff with me

1435
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:09,440
uh so she's an ideal person to be

1436
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:13,040
to be there whoever however she's ended

1437
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,800
up where she has

1438
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,320
it's a good choice for mankind

1439
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,679
in any case the new yorker

1440
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,360
did a searching interview with her and a

1441
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,840
very good one

1442
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,239
earlier though a couple of weeks before

1443
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:30,400
they also did an interview or a story

1444
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,360
about

1445
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:34,640
a psychologist called elizabeth loftus

1446
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,800
he was a member i believe of the false

1447
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,880
memory syndrome foundation and believes

1448
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,640
essentially that any memory that we

1449
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,000
can't

1450
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,960
make sense of is faults especially

1451
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,199
memories of childhood trauma and trauma

1452
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,120
in general

1453
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,640
now what they didn't say about the false

1454
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:54,719
memory syndrome foundation that it was

1455
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:58,480
founded by two people whose daughter

1456
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,760
jennifer freud freed

1457
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,280
wrote a book about them called betrayal

1458
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,120
trauma and about the foundation called

1459
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:08,560
betrayal trauma

1460
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,520
saying that it was the foundation's

1461
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,080
theories were themselves false

1462
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,400
and they had founded it because they had

1463
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:18,719
abused her

1464
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:22,239
so i think that the existence of these

1465
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,120
two things

1466
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,159
in the same magazine may mean

1467
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:28,719
and i hope this is not true that there

1468
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,280
is

1469
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:31,679
going to be social engineering going on

1470
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,560
saying that

1471
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,640
yes there is something very strange

1472
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,480
going on in our skies

1473
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,800
but all of these people who thought that

1474
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,960
they had been abducted by aliens

1475
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,280
that's all false memories you don't have

1476
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:46,400
to worry about that it never happened

1477
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:51,199
it happened and it does happen

1478
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,199
it definitely did happen

1479
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,199
and it does and there's plenty of

1480
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,199
physical evidence

1481
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,840
and and they will there's also another

1482
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,679
big article on a website the name of

1483
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:05,199
which i will not mention

1484
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,120
because what i'm going to say is some of

1485
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:09,360
the people who run it it's a ufo

1486
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,400
website are are linked to the

1487
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,840
intelligence community

1488
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:15,760
and it's a long article about how

1489
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:18,239
hypnosis generates false memories so you

1490
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:18,960
see

1491
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,280
a way of a method of denial forming here

1492
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,600
false memory syndrome foundation

1493
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,120
elizabeth loftus

1494
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:34,000
hypnosis generating false memories and

1495
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,320
then you can see

1496
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,159
articles saying well these people were

1497
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,760
all hypnotized

1498
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,679
and they were hypnotized into believing

1499
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,679
these false memories

1500
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,280
when in fact most of them were never

1501
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:47,120
hypnotized

1502
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,480
in in in the whole close encounters

1503
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:53,760
phenomenon

1504
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,159
in all the letters we got over the years

1505
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,040
i don't think 10 people out of the maybe

1506
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:03,120
two or three hundred thousand

1507
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,440
mentioned that they had been hypnotized

1508
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,480
i was hypnotized by one of the leading

1509
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:13,120
psycho psychiatric hypnotists in the

1510
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:13,840
world dr

1511
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:17,760
donald vine and

1512
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:21,360
i don't think hypnosis in the right hand

1513
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:25,199
generates false memories at all

1514
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,400
so i see a possibility that the

1515
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:29,840
abductees are going to be thrown

1516
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,080
under the bus yet again but we're used

1517
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:34,560
to it we live under the bus don't we

1518
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,840
right well whitley i

1519
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,159
wanted to ask um i have one more

1520
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:41,840
question and just a quick uh

1521
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,640
message to the to the audience but uh um

1522
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,000
would it be okay if we go into

1523
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:48,080
some of the questions that uh people

1524
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:49,760
have in the chat

1525
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,400
sure until my mentor so if i could keep

1526
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,840
going i didn't bring in any water

1527
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:55,760
unfortunately

1528
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:58,239
i'm so excited one more time until my

1529
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,360
mouth dries

1530
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,400
up i can keep i cannot bring in a glass

1531
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,080
of water unfortunately

1532
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,760
well you know i can switch the camera to

1533
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:07,600
me if you need to get some water real

1534
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,719
quick just uh

1535
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,880
putting that option out there i'm fine

1536
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,239
let's keep going good deal

1537
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:14,400
so everyone watching uh please if you

1538
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,280
have a question

1539
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:18,159
put if you can put three stars uh before

1540
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:19,040
your question

1541
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,719
um uh it's i believe shift eight

1542
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,719
um so that way i know it's a question

1543
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:25,760
for whitley and i

1544
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:29,040
will be easier for me to identify it and

1545
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,880
so i'll give you some time to put some

1546
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,400
of the questions out there i know or

1547
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,480
some of you have already put them out

1548
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,640
but it's been early in the chat and i

1549
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,239
would hate to scroll all the way

1550
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:41,120
to the top and try to find it again so

1551
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:42,000
anyway i

1552
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,600
will have one more question for whitley

1553
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,199
and then we'll go into q a

1554
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:47,040
uh if you can line up your questions

1555
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,800
they'll be great

1556
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,600
all right um whitley when i wanted to

1557
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:52,800
ask

1558
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,840
and um i had it ready it escaped my mind

1559
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:57,040
now

1560
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,080
oh so for example these

1561
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,360
this new new um i guess this new

1562
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,800
understanding because of your own

1563
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:05,760
experiences

1564
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:08,480
you know interactions with anne and then

1565
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:09,280
prior to

1566
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:13,920
to that with with the different entities

1567
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,360
how house one to come to an

1568
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,199
understanding like you have

1569
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,960
without having had or at least

1570
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,320
remembering having had

1571
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,880
contact in the way that you have is

1572
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,920
there something that they can

1573
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,199
individually do

1574
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:29,360
let's say through meditation or just go

1575
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,480
out in the woods hope to

1576
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,320
make some contact or what what is it

1577
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,560
that you would recommend to someone that

1578
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,480
just has not had any experience on their

1579
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:38,239
own well

1580
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,120
um there's certainly ce5 programs of

1581
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,280
various kinds that work

1582
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:46,159
um the visitors will generally respond

1583
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,199
to someone who's

1584
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,760
who's who's interested and and they have

1585
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,040
some reason to

1586
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,760
believe that response would be

1587
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,239
worthwhile and especially

1588
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:59,120
if they are willing to open themselves

1589
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:00,159
up to

1590
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:05,840
to this and you know if you go into it

1591
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,110
uh putting up all kinds of conditions

1592
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:14,560
you're not likely to get much of a

1593
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:15,360
response

1594
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,159
because it's going to look like you know

1595
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,000
you're not going to be able to listen to

1596
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,560
anything that you've already got a

1597
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:24,880
you've already got your agenda

1598
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,840
um but if you're persistent i'll you

1599
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:29,920
know i

1600
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,320
my life in this contact situation

1601
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:36,000
existed when i was a child i'm convinced

1602
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,360
um i don't know if the things i wrote

1603
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:41,040
about it in this my book the secret

1604
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,800
school

1605
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:46,000
are um accurate

1606
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,800
but i do know that it existed i did have

1607
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,560
close encounter experiences as a child

1608
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,920
and they ended

1609
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,840
about when i reached puberty at the age

1610
01:17:02,350 --> 01:16:58,480
of 11 or 12.

1611
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:02,360
and i forgot about it completely

1612
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,560
completely in 1970 ann and i

1613
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,239
joined an organization called the

1614
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:10,560
gergief foundation

1615
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,679
that's g u r d j i

1616
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:16,960
e f f foundation

1617
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,080
uh george gerchief was a armenian

1618
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,120
philosopher and search or spiritual

1619
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:24,960
searcher

1620
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:28,719
who ended up in france after the

1621
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:31,840
russian revolution and

1622
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,520
taught a method of

1623
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,719
waking up that he'd worked out and

1624
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,800
included in this method is the sensing

1625
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,840
exercise which

1626
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:44,960
most people know i do and

1627
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,920
very simple exercise dividing the

1628
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:48,640
attention

1629
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,880
so that your thoughts continue to flow

1630
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,520
but part of your attention is taken and

1631
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:56,719
placed on your body

1632
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:00,640
on your physical body and

1633
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,800
you methodically amplify your awareness

1634
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,880
of the sensations of each part of your

1635
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:08,239
body

1636
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,640
and as you do that apparently it causes

1637
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:14,640
you to become noticeable in the other

1638
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,280
level of reality that's why ann

1639
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,840
said i can see you when you sit in the

1640
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,960
chair because that's

1641
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:23,440
i sit in a chair to do this every night

1642
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,830
and uh that's she can she can find me

1643
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:33,600
when i'm doing this

1644
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,440
and they're originally one of the few

1645
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:40,640
almost channeling like exchanges it was

1646
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,360
it was a discussion with the visitors

1647
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,600
that i've ever had i asked them

1648
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,800
why they had come and the answer was we

1649
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,800
saw a glow

1650
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,640
and i thought that meant the glow of

1651
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:54,800
cities and so forth

1652
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:57,760
but later i realized that it didn't mean

1653
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:58,239
that

1654
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:01,120
it meant the glow of me sitting there in

1655
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,400
those woods alone

1656
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,880
in that little cabin every night at 11

1657
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:07,280
doing my exercise

1658
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,080
so uh if it that they showed up 15 years

1659
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,480
after i started

1660
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:17,440
so we you know we live in an immediacy

1661
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:18,719
world

1662
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:22,159
nobody's gonna 15 years are you crazy

1663
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,679
generally people will try it for

1664
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,080
you know once or twice maybe three times

1665
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,239
and no nothing happens and so they go on

1666
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,080
to the next thing

1667
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,800
but if you if you get into a state in

1668
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:36,239
the sensing exercise

1669
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:39,920
a profound profoundly

1670
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:43,679
open state and separated state and

1671
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,360
you get into a ce5 group

1672
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,239
interesting things can happen as far as

1673
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:52,080
those groups are concerned it doesn't

1674
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,400
really matter who does them

1675
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,239
as long as they've got a good protocol

1676
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,520
that's worked out

1677
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:59,199
you can do it with somebody who you

1678
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,000
think is an idiot who

1679
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,800
who runs them and or you can just do it

1680
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,639
with a group of friends

1681
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,320
and if you're persistent you probably

1682
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:10,560
will get some interest eventually

1683
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:14,000
uh so it's not

1684
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:15,679
it's not a special doesn't require a

1685
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,239
special person to do any of this this is

1686
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:20,880
for anybody who wants to do it

1687
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,120
everyone okay thank you for that

1688
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:27,040
so i believe uh the first question

1689
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,159
whitley i think you

1690
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,960
you covered it in in great length but if

1691
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:32,480
there's something you would like to go

1692
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,120
over it

1693
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:35,679
you know please do if not it's perfectly

1694
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,440
understandable it's just simply saying

1695
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:38,880
can you ask whitley about his

1696
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:42,159
communication with his wife

1697
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,679
yeah sure we wrote

1698
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:47,440
this book the afterlife revolution

1699
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,639
together after i learned

1700
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,639
that she was indeed communicating with

1701
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:53,840
me

1702
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:57,600
and i got used to the idea

1703
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,360
and it became a dialogue and

1704
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:04,159
it wasn't a like a channel thing she was

1705
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:04,880
not

1706
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:08,239
guide thing

1707
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:12,320
at all but she will answer questions

1708
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,000
and the answers quite frankly were some

1709
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,920
of the most beautiful and

1710
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,760
insightful things i have ever heard in

1711
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:21,440
my life

1712
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,629
what is enlightenment

1713
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,719
and she said enlightenment is what

1714
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:32,239
happens

1715
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,910
that immediately gives you quite a life

1716
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:41,440
aim

1717
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,239
because you know i've got a corner here

1718
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,920
and a corner there that's got a lot of

1719
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:47,199
love in it

1720
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:54,070
many many people scared and all of those

1721
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,159
things we all are

1722
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,320
but it's it's a it's a wonderful journey

1723
01:22:00,629 --> 01:22:00,080
if you start to take this journey toward

1724
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:00,639
peace

1725
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,239
say

1726
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:07,520
have joy and i asked her after she

1727
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,239
passed on what does what is joy what

1728
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:12,560
does joy mean

1729
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:19,910
when you buy a new tv that's happiness

1730
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,719
you finally got what you wanted but hold

1731
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,719
the baby in your arms and look at them

1732
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,719
down at the baby and the baby will smile

1733
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:27,840
at you

1734
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:31,840
that's joy you'll feel that joy

1735
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,510
she said also some very funny things

1736
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,199
right at first

1737
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:43,040
she said it looks like you're all

1738
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,390
hilarious and i think it must be true

1739
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:53,440
because at first she was very

1740
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,480
you could feel her confusion

1741
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:59,040
when i know she was talking and nothing

1742
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:00,320
was happening

1743
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,110
but now especially in the 3 a.m

1744
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,159
meditation when when i'm working on

1745
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:15,600
something it goes real

1746
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:19,760
deep it's like annie comes into my brain

1747
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:22,800
and and starts using my brain

1748
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:26,239
to form thoughts that are that are

1749
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,110
like it's like a dance of minds

1750
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:38,159
both using the same brain it's way

1751
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,120
beyond

1752
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:41,440
talking or channeling or anything like

1753
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:42,560
that

1754
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,760
it's extremely intimate and productive

1755
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:48,560
because of course she's

1756
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,480
she is outside of the context

1757
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:55,920
of all of the buffers of ego and

1758
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,040
and the lack of knowledge and stuff

1759
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,159
she this is a soul that created and it's

1760
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,400
not an anymore

1761
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:06,480
and i have the blessing of having the

1762
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:12,950
thank you for that um the other question

1763
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:15,920
the previous question was from jose jose

1764
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,560
rivera i'm sorry i didn't read that

1765
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,040
the next one is from scott brown asking

1766
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:23,040
whitley do you still own the cabin and

1767
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,239
have you considered

1768
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,199
setting up motion activated night vision

1769
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,750
i don't own the cabin this house is full

1770
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,000
of motion activating cameras

1771
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,040
i would love to get the visitors but i

1772
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,440
i can tell you i always know when

1773
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:41,040
they've come in

1774
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,320
the physical ones first because of the

1775
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:46,080
way i feel in the morning i often don't

1776
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:47,280
remember them but

1777
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:51,040
very very slightly at all but the system

1778
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:51,920
turns itself

1779
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,040
off in the software

1780
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:57,120
you can't tell it's turned off from

1781
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:58,480
looking at the cameras

1782
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:01,600
they look as they always do

1783
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:05,760
but but annie uses the cameras

1784
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:08,960
she uses them back

1785
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,000
in january

1786
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,440
before she passed away she died in

1787
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,239
august on some level annie was planning

1788
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,080
things

1789
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:23,040
she wanted me to memorize a certain poem

1790
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:23,440
called

1791
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,719
song of the wandering angus and

1792
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,480
we were going to memorize it together

1793
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:30,719
and when i couldn't seem to memorize it

1794
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:31,600
she cried

1795
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:35,120
and that was very unusual and so

1796
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:38,320
boy i worked i worked on that poem and i

1797
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,280
did memorize

1798
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:42,560
every word of it and

1799
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:46,159
one in one stanza of the poem

1800
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:49,520
there is the line uh

1801
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,159
when white moths were on the wing and

1802
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:54,480
the moth like stars were flickering

1803
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:57,920
out and that line is

1804
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:01,360
terribly important to our relationship

1805
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:04,719
because the last time before last not

1806
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,840
when i was not

1807
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,159
not this year or last year we didn't

1808
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:11,840
have it but the year before

1809
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:15,679
when we had the ozark mountain festival

1810
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,280
i was amazed to see that my cameras

1811
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,679
were showing this white moth flying

1812
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:23,600
around in front of the

1813
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,800
the the camera

1814
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,159
in the living room and i thought what

1815
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,080
could that be about

1816
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,120
uh there's no moths in there

1817
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,800
and it's all cold closed up all the

1818
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,040
windows were closed when i left

1819
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,639
so as soon as i got back home i

1820
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:40,159
immediately started looking for this

1821
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,719
moth

1822
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:42,239
because i didn't wanted to eat all my

1823
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:45,360
curtains and my clothes and everything

1824
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:48,560
no moth one of the people at the

1825
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:49,440
conference

1826
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:52,880
is a very very psychics

1827
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:55,920
sensitive individual said that's no

1828
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:58,719
ordinary moth whitley and i thought to

1829
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,440
myself oh

1830
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:01,840
yeah nothing's ordinary around a ufo

1831
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,590
but then the white moth began to appear

1832
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:10,320
at opportune moments

1833
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,000
it became clear that the white moth had

1834
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:16,000
something to do with anne

1835
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,600
because every time i was giving a

1836
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:19,840
lecture i was giving a lecture

1837
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,199
at a university in north carolina and i

1838
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,080
was talking about anne and my phone made

1839
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:28,080
a beeping noise and the white moth was

1840
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:28,880
there

1841
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:32,639
in the uh on the camera and uh

1842
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,840
uh again when i went home there was no

1843
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,120
more

1844
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:40,080
then the most telling one moment came

1845
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,880
when

1846
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:43,440
it was christmas christmas afternoon and

1847
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:44,840
this had happened three or four

1848
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:48,560
times and i was with my son

1849
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:51,280
at his house and he doesn't live near me

1850
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:52,000
he lives

1851
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,280
away far away and

1852
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,920
uh i was telling him this story about

1853
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:59,520
the white mall

1854
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,639
and the phone goes and i look and

1855
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:04,080
there's the white moth

1856
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,030
at that at that instant

1857
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,520
so it was obvious that the white moth

1858
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,080
had a lot to do with anne

1859
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,639
now but here's the thing that is so

1860
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:20,639
extraordinary the reason she

1861
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:23,520
chose it in the first place i didn't

1862
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:24,159
remember

1863
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:28,239
until later i wrote a short story years

1864
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:28,639
ago

1865
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,679
called the white moths it's about an old

1866
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:33,600
woman who dies

1867
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,880
and discovers realizing it's her process

1868
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:39,120
of discovery and realizing

1869
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:42,719
that she's now dead physically

1870
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:46,080
and it was anne's absolute favorite

1871
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,120
story of mine

1872
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:49,440
that i wrote i you know being whitley

1873
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:50,159
strieber

1874
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,760
no publisher will publish me i have to

1875
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:53,600
publish my own books but

1876
01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:57,120
uh the stories out there in any case

1877
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,390
i looked at the story and i realized why

1878
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:08,960
anne had chosen as her avatar in this

1879
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:11,760
world the white moth

1880
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:15,440
and why she had started way back when

1881
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:18,960
with that poem and the poem is about

1882
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:22,840
a man searching

1883
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,360
for a beautiful soul

1884
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:30,719
who comes to him it's

1885
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,550
i went out to the hazel wood because a

1886
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:38,800
fire was in my head

1887
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:41,920
and cut and peeled a hazel wand

1888
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:45,199
and hooked a berry to a thread

1889
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:47,199
when white moths were on the wing and

1890
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,400
the moth-like stars were flickering out

1891
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:52,639
i dropped the berry in a stream and

1892
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:53,440
caught

1893
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:56,480
a little silver trout

1894
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,360
when i laid it on the floor and went to

1895
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:02,639
blow the fire flame

1896
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:04,719
something shuttered on the floor and

1897
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,159
someone called me by my name

1898
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:11,520
it had become a glimmering girl

1899
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:14,639
with apple blossom in her hair

1900
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:17,760
who called me by my name and faded

1901
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,120
through the brightening air though i

1902
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,840
am old with wandering in hollow lands

1903
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:25,760
and hilly lands

1904
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:29,040
i will find where she has gone and kiss

1905
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:29,840
her lips

1906
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:32,880
and take her hands and walk

1907
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:36,719
in long dappled grass and pluck

1908
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,320
till time and times are done the silver

1909
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:42,239
apples of the moon

1910
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:49,750
that's ann's message and

1911
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:53,679
it is a message to her searcher

1912
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:56,480
that she will lead me on through the

1913
01:31:01,990 --> 01:30:58,719
long dappled grass

1914
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,000
on this journey and you think that the

1915
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,320
visitors may be tough cookies and they

1916
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:06,239
may kick us around

1917
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:08,239
but this extraordinary journey could

1918
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:11,600
never have started without them

1919
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:15,360
that's beautiful whitley i have a

1920
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:16,480
question from

1921
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:19,600
rick hicks says uh whitley have you

1922
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:23,280
held any conversation with any nte

1923
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:34,229
i'm not quite sure what nte means

1924
01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:37,270
is it n d is it gone

1925
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:45,030
nte i'm not sure what it means either

1926
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:48,239
it could well uh rick if you can please

1927
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:49,199
um

1928
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,679
those beings

1929
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,520
i i don't really need any more

1930
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,120
clarification i can tell you what i know

1931
01:32:03,750 --> 01:31:59,920
about the transmigration souls

1932
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:03,760
um my life is very experiential

1933
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,760
i i you know i i i like to think i'm a

1934
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:10,080
an intellectual but most everything i

1935
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:11,120
have to offer

1936
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,840
comes from experience and here's an

1937
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,120
experience that's

1938
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,000
relevant to this question i had a dear

1939
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:20,480
friend who was

1940
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:22,880
i guess a criminal basically he was that

1941
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:24,639
wasn't a real good guy

1942
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,000
but um i'm not that

1943
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:30,639
at all we've been friends since boyhood

1944
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:31,600
so

1945
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:34,880
the friendship continued and he

1946
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:37,920
lit up quite a dissolute life and he was

1947
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:41,360
dying he was in a surgery having a

1948
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:43,440
desperate last-minute surgery and i was

1949
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:44,480
in the

1950
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:50,880
family and my wife and

1951
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:53,840
all of a sudden he came walking out of

1952
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:55,120
the

1953
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:58,560
surgery and stared at us

1954
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:01,840
and i said to anne

1955
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:05,679
tommy just died because i knew from

1956
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:07,440
experience at that point what i was

1957
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:09,520
seeing was not his physical body

1958
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:12,400
but his second body which was still very

1959
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:12,800
much

1960
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,360
part of this world no one not many

1961
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:21,199
people can see those but you get

1962
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,199
you get to what you can see them and so

1963
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:27,520
the next thing i knew i saw in my mind's

1964
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:29,280
eye some of these little dark blue

1965
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,080
figures that

1966
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:32,639
laurie burns had seen that we talked

1967
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:34,000
about earlier

1968
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:37,520
taking him and they placed him into the

1969
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:40,960
body of a just born baby

1970
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,719
in a third world country

1971
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:46,880
and he was still fully conscious of who

1972
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:47,760
he was

1973
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:52,239
or had been at that moment and he

1974
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:55,120
the baby burst out screaming of course

1975
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:56,400
because

1976
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:00,400
here was this wealthy man and you know

1977
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,920
suddenly now he's going to be a a little

1978
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:04,800
girl

1979
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:08,560
in a very unpleasant and difficult

1980
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:13,040
situation and i was told that if i ever

1981
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:16,000
went to that country i would meet her

1982
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:19,600
but i should not do it and so i haven't

1983
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:20,400
done it

1984
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:23,679
and now she's i supposedly a woman

1985
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,400
she's been 20 years she must be in her

1986
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:28,320
early 20s and

1987
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,159
if she hasn't been taken yet by cohort

1988
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:32,080
or something

1989
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,960
but he earned that life and they moved

1990
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:36,880
him fast

1991
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:40,480
because if he hadn't been moved fast

1992
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:46,229
that's what i know about the

1993
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,790
okay thank you uh the next question is

1994
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,080
from hazel blair

1995
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:56,480
saying hello whitley in your opinion do

1996
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:58,719
you think the dreams we remember for

1997
01:35:02,629 --> 01:34:59,280
years

1998
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:02,639
are given as cryptic clues

1999
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:05,600
i don't know i think that if you want to

2000
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:08,480
find clues in your dreams you can

2001
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:11,920
because they all contain them they all

2002
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:15,040
they are green dreams

2003
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:17,679
are another grammar they are they're

2004
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:18,320
they're

2005
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:21,760
different language

2006
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:24,480
um the language of the inner light of

2007
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:25,440
the inner

2008
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:29,280
person the of the unconscious

2009
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:33,280
i have had some powerful dreams we all

2010
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:34,400
have

2011
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:38,000
of course maddeningly our most powerful

2012
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:39,119
dreams

2013
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,679
you often wake up in the morning and you

2014
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,440
think to yourself

2015
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:44,800
i'm not going to forget that i'm going

2016
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:47,280
to write it down and you get out of the

2017
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:48,560
bed and you start to

2018
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:51,360
write it down and it slipped your mind

2019
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:53,440
that's happened to me many times

2020
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:56,239
i have a dream book i haven't been

2021
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:57,920
keeping it up lately

2022
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:00,880
i've been bad and so my dreams rich as

2023
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:02,560
they used to be and i've got to keep it

2024
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:05,119
started again thanks for the question

2025
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,639
you encouraged me to get back to my

2026
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,080
dream

2027
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:11,199
i guess a reminder uh this next question

2028
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,840
is from

2029
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:14,000
cyprus asking what's your take on the

2030
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,070
the vatican's holding a conference in

2031
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:22,560
june yes this one

2032
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:25,600
i didn't know that i have no idea

2033
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,639
no okay uh the other one is from

2034
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,600
truth freedom asking whitley is there

2035
01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:32,880
anything that you can say

2036
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,080
about the hybrid hybridization program

2037
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:39,440
that some people claim that is taking

2038
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:47,590
uh yeah i can say a lot about it i uh

2039
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:52,960
the um

2040
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:57,119
uh the i had an experience

2041
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:01,840
with with um

2042
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:07,199
that specifically this

2043
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,719
toward the end of the time that we had

2044
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:10,639
our cabin and i didn't mention by the

2045
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,119
way

2046
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,760
with the cabin we lost it because you

2047
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:16,239
know if you're

2048
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:19,280
if you're with a streamer

2049
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:22,159
you're going to be beaten up a lot uh

2050
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:22,800
anyone

2051
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:26,000
and it's not just because it's me

2052
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:30,080
it's because anyone who says things that

2053
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:33,840
fly in the face of beliefs

2054
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:37,920
is in trouble and um

2055
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:41,119
i was a controversial author

2056
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:44,239
up until i wrote majestic and and about

2057
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:48,080
that kind of that time and at some point

2058
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:51,520
a tv show called south park

2059
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:54,960
made me into a laughingstock

2060
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:58,400
my rape was turned into a joke

2061
01:38:01,430 --> 01:38:00,000
and you know you could the one thing

2062
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:01,440
about the this

2063
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:04,960
world the last people you can safely

2064
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:05,920
bully

2065
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,960
are the abductees you can't believe

2066
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,320
anybody else

2067
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:12,960
anymore you can't say anything

2068
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:15,520
derogatory because a person is a pole or

2069
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:15,760
a

2070
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:37,840
of books

2071
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:40,880
a author that's laughed at

2072
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:43,520
won't sell any because nobody's going to

2073
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:44,000
walk up

2074
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,080
to a bookstore clerk and

2075
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,159
buy a book and feel like the clerk is

2076
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:52,159
snickering at him

2077
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:54,159
now that the internet's come along i'm

2078
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,280
coming back to life

2079
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:57,679
in terms of books because no publisher

2080
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,880
will ever

2081
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,400
touch me because they see my sales

2082
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:02,480
figures from the past

2083
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,239
but what they don't know is that people

2084
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:05,840
will buy my books on the internet

2085
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:06,239
because

2086
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:09,840
nobody can see them doing it and so i do

2087
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:12,239
sell a lot of books on amazon that

2088
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:15,679
made mostly on amazon in any case

2089
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:21,590
yeah heck i diverted and now it

2090
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,480
digressed

2091
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:24,239
because i wanted to go back to that

2092
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,320
business of why we lost the cabin

2093
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,719
and so you know we'd never have anything

2094
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:30,480
at the cabin because we have no cabin i

2095
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:31,119
am

2096
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:34,080
i'm you know i'm recovering financially

2097
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,800
uh

2098
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,880
the years of annie's illness took a

2099
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:38,400
tremendous toll and the

2100
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:40,800
period before that with having no sales

2101
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:41,440
and no

2102
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,119
ability to to get a publisher

2103
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,520
and the loss of the cabin and everything

2104
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:48,960
but i'm now i'm

2105
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:51,600
i'm sort of half partly recovered it's

2106
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:53,920
not like it used to be it never will be

2107
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,239
but

2108
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:57,280
um you're going to have to repeat the

2109
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:58,480
question

2110
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:01,600
that you started with because i my my my

2111
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,239
digression

2112
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,159
to finish the answer the other question

2113
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:05,760
has caused me to forget

2114
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:08,800
what place i am so please repeat it sure

2115
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:09,520
sure let me

2116
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:17,750
what's the highest hybrids i i got it

2117
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:18,400
right yeah

2118
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:21,760
that's right all i had to do

2119
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:24,960
scroll back up yeah the hybrids yeah

2120
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,239
okay when we had the cabin

2121
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:29,920
toward the end of the time we had the

2122
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:32,000
cabin

2123
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,920
we began to notice that there was

2124
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:37,119
someone in the woods

2125
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:40,080
and that was disturbing what happened

2126
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:41,199
was

2127
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:45,520
saw what looked like a boy sitting under

2128
01:41:07,510 --> 01:40:45,920
a

2129
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,520
this young fellow to

2130
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,119
get away from that pitch pond because he

2131
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,639
could blow the whole burn up the whole

2132
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:12,239
place

2133
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:13,920
and i walked over as i was walking over

2134
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:16,560
to him he made a noise that

2135
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:19,760
that scared me it was

2136
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,800
obvious that it wasn't a normal person

2137
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,800
and so i turned around and walked went

2138
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:28,320
home

2139
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:32,239
and uh we began to find places out in

2140
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,679
the woods where there were hundreds of

2141
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,360
cigarette butts

2142
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,600
where he was standing in the on a still

2143
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:39,360
night this smell of cigarette smoke

2144
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,880
would fill the

2145
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,360
house because he was nearby smoking

2146
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:45,119
constantly

2147
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,880
and i'd seen him he he was a

2148
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,719
strange-looking fellow he looked about

2149
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,880
11 or 12 years old

2150
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,360
and he was very seemed very very

2151
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:55,360
disturbed

2152
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,199
and eventually

2153
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:01,440
that october we lost the cabin and we

2154
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:02,480
moved we

2155
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,880
put our things you know we got our

2156
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,960
things together and drove to texas

2157
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:08,719
where we had a little condo my mother

2158
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,600
had lived in and we still had that

2159
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:13,760
so that was where we could grasp our

2160
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:14,800
heads and

2161
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:22,390
about three or four days after

2162
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:26,320
we arrived there he became aware of the

2163
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:28,000
fact that he was standing in a little

2164
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:31,520
cul-de-sac uh

2165
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,880
beside the bedroom

2166
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,719
and we began to smell cigarette smoke

2167
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,800
inside the bedroom

2168
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,159
and the little it was on the ground

2169
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:42,080
floor and when we went outside the

2170
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,280
little cul-de-sac had all these

2171
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,719
cigarette butts

2172
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,679
and i thought my god he's followed us

2173
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,360
here

2174
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,600
then things began to happen in the condo

2175
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:53,679
complex

2176
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:56,880
people saw him climbing a wall and

2177
01:43:01,510 --> 01:43:00,239
he pulled the spokes out of the out of a

2178
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:01,520
bicycle

2179
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,360
wheel on a second floor a man saw him

2180
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:07,199
hop off of a balcony into the swimming

2181
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,320
pool

2182
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:10,400
where you know you have to take a run to

2183
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,159
do it he was impover what he did was

2184
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:13,840
impossible

2185
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:16,320
and people called social services

2186
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:16,880
because

2187
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:19,520
you know there was a feral child in the

2188
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:22,159
in the condo complex

2189
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:25,679
and um he was living right behind us

2190
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:26,639
with two men

2191
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:30,560
who were really the scariest people i've

2192
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,520
ever met

2193
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,360
i didn't meet him i mean ever seen they

2194
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:34,880
were really

2195
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,000
something if there are demons those were

2196
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:44,629
and uh i finally

2197
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:48,000
i could feel him inside me

2198
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:51,840
inside my mind when he was standing

2199
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:52,400
there

2200
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:56,000
and it was very it wasn't pleasant it

2201
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:57,760
was not a

2202
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:04,550
um very intrusive

2203
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,320
and almost a little bit sexually

2204
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:08,560
perverse about it it was not

2205
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:11,840
a pleasant experience at all so

2206
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:15,679
um i put a motion sensitive light

2207
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:19,040
up in there and the next night you could

2208
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,320
hear him

2209
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:22,880
gasping and jumping in and out of the

2210
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:25,040
light and going on

2211
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,639
the next morning i was working in the

2212
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:28,320
little garden in front of the

2213
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,920
condo and here he came barreling around

2214
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:33,840
the corner

2215
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:36,000
and he marched off down the middle of

2216
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:46,870
now you go back to my abduction in 1985

2217
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:50,709
i they took semen out of my body

2218
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:53,920
now it's 1996.

2219
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:57,840
he looks like a very strange 11 year old

2220
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:02,159
very troubled

2221
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:11,510
and i have to say oh wow there was

2222
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:13,040
something

2223
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:16,719
very unholy going

2224
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:21,679
on but you must not

2225
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:24,239
throw out the baby with the bathwater

2226
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:25,920
because as complex as this

2227
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:29,199
is as deeply

2228
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,040
troubling as most of it is much of it is

2229
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:35,600
there is also another side to it which

2230
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:36,719
we have been discussing

2231
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,760
extensively tonight i don't know if i

2232
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:41,440
could say that well it's different

2233
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:43,280
beings these are the bad guys those are

2234
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:44,560
the good guys

2235
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:47,840
right it's not that simple it's not that

2236
01:45:50,709 --> 01:45:49,040
simple they're no more

2237
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:50,719
they're no they're not simpler than we

2238
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:52,400
are and that would be a lot simpler than

2239
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,440
human beings

2240
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:55,440
i know a lot of people who have done bad

2241
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:56,880
things who are good people

2242
01:46:01,510 --> 01:45:59,520
and a lot of people who are the opposite

2243
01:46:02,550 --> 01:46:01,520
this is a very complex species and

2244
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:02,560
goodness knows

2245
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,480
if we really are dealing with aliens

2246
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:06,239
from another world who can get here at

2247
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:07,199
all

2248
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:08,719
they must be a hell of a lot more

2249
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:11,040
complex than we are

2250
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:14,719
so okay thank you for that hybrids

2251
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:18,159
and does it help me the uh the next

2252
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:20,400
question is from helio de sosa junior

2253
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,960
asking

2254
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:22,880
mr schreiber please in any of your

2255
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:24,080
experiences

2256
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:26,239
with extraterrestrials do you remember

2257
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:28,639
seeing some kind of strange

2258
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:31,360
animal with them that resembles her dog

2259
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:32,080
or wolf

2260
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:41,199
extraterrestrials or not again i've

2261
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,600
never

2262
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,719
that simple and i

2263
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:47,119
i have to have proof if i'm taken to

2264
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:48,000
another planet

2265
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:51,840
and shown them and their towns and

2266
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:53,679
whatever they have and then brought back

2267
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:55,679
here again without my memory being

2268
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,880
screwed up

2269
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,400
then maybe i would say they were

2270
01:47:01,669 --> 01:47:00,159
extraterrestrials but right now i don't

2271
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:01,679
know what they are

2272
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,199
but yes i saw some animals there used to

2273
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,119
be some very strange animals in the

2274
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:09,840
woods behind our house

2275
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,960
um you know it was really

2276
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:14,960
i went out i don't know how in the world

2277
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,199
i managed to go out there in the night

2278
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:19,440
time and time again as i did because

2279
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:21,040
looking back on it it was

2280
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:23,520
pretty spectacularly creepy place at

2281
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:31,830
but what i saw were these

2282
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,800
i heard them first and then i saw them

2283
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:36,800
they looked like big rats

2284
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:40,159
and they had ferocious eyes

2285
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:42,960
i thought to myself my god those things

2286
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:44,719
those are not normal animals and i'm

2287
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,159
afraid they might be as smart as

2288
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,800
me or maybe smarter and i got out of

2289
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:50,719
there quickly

2290
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:54,800
a few days later our little siamese cat

2291
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,800
decided to take an excursion in the

2292
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:57,840
woods and he was

2293
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:01,199
no woods he got lost

2294
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:05,040
and uh i was out there with my ears

2295
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:06,560
listening because i knew he would be

2296
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:07,920
meowing

2297
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:10,960
and i i finally tracked him down he'd

2298
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:13,280
he'd been stopped by a little finger of

2299
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:15,040
water about this wide

2300
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,880
he couldn't get over that because it was

2301
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,400
too wide and

2302
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,040
he sure was happy to see me he just came

2303
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:22,960
up into my arms

2304
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:26,239
and i heard those animals in the

2305
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:29,679
bushes right nearby making their very

2306
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:33,199
scary weird noise and i thought

2307
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:37,280
boy i got this cat just in time

2308
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:39,920
that's my those are my that and also we

2309
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:40,800
saw some

2310
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:45,119
prints once i didn't take

2311
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:46,880
samples of the prince because at the

2312
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:48,960
time we didn't really

2313
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,920
put two and two together but ann said as

2314
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,480
we were walking oh no no i was alone but

2315
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:56,880
ann didn't say this i saw these prints

2316
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:58,239
and they looked like the prince of a

2317
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,360
tiny elephant and i thought later

2318
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,119
why didn't you do something about you

2319
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:05,360
should release taking pictures of them

2320
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:06,960
but it just never crossed my mind

2321
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,400
because there's nothing like that that

2322
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:10,400
walks around in upstate new york

2323
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:14,480
right so maybe that was too i don't know

2324
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,599
okay well uh whitley thank you very much

2325
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:19,360
you know i really appreciate you doing

2326
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,880
what you do i just have one last

2327
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:22,960
question for you before we wrap up

2328
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:27,040
um ufo joe i guess it has to be the most

2329
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:28,480
difficult question i'm gonna

2330
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,960
read it slowly because it has a lot of

2331
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:32,560
different terms in there that

2332
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:36,400
are difficult to pronounce so uh this is

2333
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:39,599
says mactones wrote about

2334
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:42,639
crypto terrestrials and hal put off

2335
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:45,679
wrote wrote paper

2336
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,080
unreleased as of yet on ultra

2337
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:50,159
terrestrials

2338
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:53,760
john keel also wrote about it

2339
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,639
you think the being you you interacted

2340
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:58,880
with are the same

2341
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:01,280
well it's just a word isn't it i knew

2342
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:02,800
mac

2343
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:06,159
uh tony's and he had if he really if he

2344
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:08,880
he was very iffy about me which is fine

2345
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:09,280
i mean

2346
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:13,119
you know i i am not a mr chapter verse

2347
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,920
here i'm not

2348
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,800
i'm not i'm not a believer myself and i

2349
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:18,960
don't like believe belief

2350
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:22,159
uh and uh so i i welcomed his

2351
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:22,960
questioning

2352
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,719
attitude uh i don't know

2353
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,560
and we actually talked about this at one

2354
01:50:32,270 --> 01:50:30,080
point i think

2355
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:32,280
i thought my attitude was

2356
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:35,599
ultra-terrestrial is just a word

2357
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,719
what does it mean and so my answer is

2358
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:40,159
yeah i could be in touch with ultra

2359
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,520
terrestrials i don't know what that

2360
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:42,800
would mean

2361
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:46,320
the term is very sketchily defined

2362
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:49,520
for the most part and i didn't know hal

2363
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:50,000
had read

2364
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:52,000
written a paper that like that this is

2365
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,280
uh unpublished i

2366
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:56,080
uh know how quite well and i'd love to

2367
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:57,360
read the paper i'm gonna send him an

2368
01:51:00,390 --> 01:50:58,560
email

2369
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,400
because maybe he explains in it what he

2370
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:02,000
means by that term i

2371
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,880
i personally do not know what it means

2372
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:06,400
um

2373
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:10,880
except perhaps something from this world

2374
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:13,920
that is beyond us

2375
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,400
and i think this that's a very real

2376
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:18,560
possibility

2377
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:22,560
that we could be looking at another

2378
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:25,679
that other forms of of life because like

2379
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:26,239
sam

2380
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:32,830
a chimpanzee or a dog

2381
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:36,400
has no idea

2382
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:39,440
where they are they have

2383
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:42,880
no idea of the world they live in

2384
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:45,920
and an animal living in the forest in in

2385
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:48,080
in the jungle in africa or in the forest

2386
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:49,199
somewhere

2387
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:52,719
has no idea at all that

2388
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:56,159
that this exists

2389
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:02,550
so of course there could be another

2390
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:04,400
level above us in fact

2391
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,080
if rory barnes his experience

2392
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,199
was anything true to it i actually know

2393
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:13,440
somebody who's now an ultra terrestrial

2394
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:16,480
who was a nice lady at one point

2395
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:25,189
all right thank you so everyone watching

2396
01:52:30,149 --> 01:52:27,679
i hope you enjoyed today's show please

2397
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:30,159
check out the description below i i

2398
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:33,520
have the whitley's website uh also

2399
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:36,159
a amazon link and i just recently

2400
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:37,599
discovered if you actually click on the

2401
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,040
author they give you their entire

2402
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:41,040
library so i included that link in the

2403
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,159
description below

2404
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,199
so please check out the books um i'm

2405
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:47,760
um brutally it was an honor thank you

2406
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:49,440
very much for taking the time to talk to

2407
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,400
me and and to

2408
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:52,800
answer these questions from everyone

2409
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:54,639
that watches here for hub

2410
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,000
and um i just um i'm just very

2411
01:53:02,229 --> 01:52:59,840
grateful it's it's uh you know i've

2412
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,239
talked to you once before in person and

2413
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,719
before the show we talked about how i

2414
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:06,239
was frantically trying to find you

2415
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,360
before you left to

2416
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:09,920
to have the book that i had of yours to

2417
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,040
have you sign it

2418
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:13,360
and so it's uh it's quite a different

2419
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,400
experience to

2420
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:16,480
to speak to the author in person you

2421
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,440
know as opposed to

2422
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,280
you know also just reading their books

2423
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,199
so again thank you for taking the time

2424
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:23,199
you know i know time is valuable and i

2425
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,800
really appreciate it i'm sure everyone

2426
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:26,800
else watching does too

2427
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:29,760
thank you very much so everyone thanks

2428
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,560
again um

2429
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:32,159
tune in on wednesday we're going to have

2430
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:34,400
our open lines um

2431
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:37,360
log in through telegram to dial in and

2432
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:38,800
share your stories

2433
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:42,480
and uh okay looks like i've

2434
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:45,280
lost oh you just simply logged off but

2435
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:46,560
anyway um

2436
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,800
so what i was going to say is that

2437
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:50,639
wednesday we're going to have open lines

2438
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:54,639
friday we're going to have um

2439
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:57,360
oh another show i'm working on getting a

2440
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,000
guest

2441
01:54:01,430 --> 01:54:00,880
and uh tomorrow is gonna be a webcast

2442
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,440
drop

2443
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:03,760
a very interesting interview with lisa

2444
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:04,719
o'hara

2445
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,480
about military abductions

2446
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:10,480
it's a book she has written called

2447
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:11,920
abducted and furious

2448
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:14,400
um how i fought back and how you can too

2449
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,400
so they'll be dropping tomorrow sometime

2450
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:18,000
in the morning around 7.

2451
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:20,480
so this week has been it's going to be

2452
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,239
busy for me but that's kind of to make

2453
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:24,719
up for the past two weeks that i haven't

2454
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:26,159
other than the wednesday and friday i

2455
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:28,639
haven't had much much else out here

2456
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:31,280
so thank you again for for joining us

2457
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:31,840
today